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Well, I still don't have an explanation as to why UPN put Shasta McNasty on the air. It's something I don't understand, but I doubt the big screen is begging for an expalantion of it. I think Battlefield Earth did enough for this pseudo-religion, anyway.

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Sure Cruise may be passionate about filmmaking and give it his all as an actor. But don't be fooled. Scientology is worse than you think! This is one arena I highly urge individuals to read about and learn from others past misfortunes. Yes there is a "grain" of truth in this "philosophy" IT IS truly NOT a religion. It is a slow insidious indoctrination into a "totalitarian" group. Read both sides. The internet is your truest friend on this topic. Be warned as Scientology/COS is a big PR machine. By appearances it can "fool" you greatly. Be warned. Be educated. Read and talk to individuals who have been on both sides, observe it all. Then decide for yourself.

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I can see it now. "The Passion of the Cruise" on big screen, complete with him being whipped by psychologists. Well, not really. But Scientologists definitely have propaganda down like the back of their hand.

Anywho, here are some voice clips from L.Ron Hubbard himself! Notice that some of them directly conflict with the stance that anyone can be a Christian and a Scientologist. (for example)

http://www.xenu.net/archive/multimedia.html

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Anonymous - if you are not a Scientologist, how can you say with such conviction that Battlefield Earth has *nothing* to do with Scientology? You must be aware of the fact that Scientology has copyrighted and kept secret vast amounts of their so-called *scripture*. Are you in a position to know whether or not the comparison is apt? My guess is that you are a Scientologist, but have not yet progressed far enough up the bridge to know that there are similarities between the two. Hubbard's own "whole track" was littered with stories of time spent on other planets and encountering space aliens like the psyclos. The wall of fire, OT3, is particularly focused on such memories. Spend some time on www.xenu.net and learn for yourself.

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Battlefield Earth had NOTHING to do with Scientology, and I resent the idea that there's a connection even though I'm not a Scientologist myself. Scientology was founded by the same man who wrote Battlefield Earth, yes, but that doesn't mean that the movie has any amount of the religion within it, and it's very immature to continue to push criticism that doesn't even make logical sense, Mr. Peckinpah.

And it's real mature to post anonymously.

Scientology is a laughable, 3am trip to the Sizzler of religion. I feel sorry for those who have to take their cues from Kirstie Alley. What is level 4: more Pork Rinds?

The founder of this get rich quick scheme knew his marks, which gets my respect as I am descended from carny folk, but don't make me buy it as anything more than bunk. You're btter of with looping yourself in a 419 scam. At least you won't have to travel, Mr./Ms. Anonymous.

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REPOSTED BY ADMIN (meaning I accidentally deleted the post, sorry):

Battlefield Earth had NOTHING to do with Scientology, and I resent the idea that there's a connection even though I'm not a Scientologist myself. Scientology was founded by the same man who wrote Battlefield Earth, yes, but that doesn't mean that the movie has any amount of the religion within it, and it's very immature to continue to push criticism that doesn't even make logical sense, Mr. Peckinpah.

As for the REAL content of this article, thank you Mr. Davis, for realizing that maybe Scientology isn't as bad as the media spin makes it seem (though you seem to half-confess that you're partially at fault for some of it), and though Cruise's antics have been a bit dramatic, they clearly don't reflect all of the church member's views. (When did John Travolta last jump on couches?)

If people want to learn more about the religion, I would hope it might appear on the big screen. I do fear, however, that if it gets the same bad publicity that Cruise has been getting, it will only further the idea that Scientologists are lunatics, when really it's nothing like that.

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I'm not sure if the 'space opera' elements of Scientology will ever reach the big screen. After all, you have to pay tens of thousands of dollars to actually be told of these events (unless of course you search for it online - for free). Tom Cruise also feigned ignorance when a Boston journalist asked about similarities between War of the Worlds and Scientology (there are quite a few). Tom Cruise is reportedly an OT7 which means he can move things with his mind and leave his body at will. Weird? No wonder he's jumping on couches and believes he's an expert at post natal depression.

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Anyone unfamiliar with all the $cientology hubbub, just go get a copy of Elron's masterpiece of crazy: "A History of Mankind". This is perhaps the most unintentionally hilarious book ever written. If you can read this book with a straight face, then by all means, join $cientology, you were made for each other.

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Sooner or later it will, because the organization is all over Hollywood, and not just proselytizing on the boulevard or sending out casting notices for PSAs and small films. I think it best to examine everything, but not if it's just going to be thinly veiled propaganda. Moreover, every religious organization needs to take a step back and tolerate fair criticism and that includes fundies and Catholics and not just the Scientologists who tend to get rather heavy handed and litigious. But given the danger to one's career, it is understandable that few in the film business dare.

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There will never be a film telling the true story about how Scientology came to be---it's much too creepy and would adversely affect sales..er..donations to the cult.

PROOF of this premise? The movie has already been made---it's called THE PROFIT (www.theprofit.org) and the Scientologists tied it up in a first ever COURT INJUNCTION preventing its release and distribution.

Check it out---the injunction still holds. So, NO, there will never be a film about Scientology and its guru L Ron Hubbard.

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Now that I've been thinking about it, I see a film based on "A Piece of Blue Sky" starring Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Elron. I especially want to see the outstanding Hoffman rip into the scenes aboard the Hubbard's ship "Apollo".

It was in those exile years that Hubbard lived out his most extreme Borderline Personality Disorder behaviors. Picture it: A backlit Hoffman as Hubbard, chainsmoking in his wood-paneled cabin, barking orders into a dictaphone while hot-pant clad Sea Org? nymphettes wait on him hand and foot. Or perhaps a disheveled Hubbard locked in his cabin for days amidst piles of crumpled paper, scotch bottles and full ashtrays making up, er, I mean chanelling the OTIII Xenu story.

And a final poigniant scene where we see Hoffman, his face caked with old age makeup and regret, portraying Hubbard slowly dying in his trailer. The formerly vigorous Elron is seen in his last minutes, stroked out, tranquilized by a shot of Vistoril and ultimately alone. This would be followed by the eeeeeeevil David Miscavige (I see Frankie Muniz in this plum role) showing up at the trailer to cover up Hubbard's sad ending and finalize his takeover of the "church".

I'll buy a ticket for that.

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The movie will look like "The Insider". It will be about the poor jerk who blows the whistle on the cult and brings the whole thing down like a house of cards. While that is happening he will be attacked worse than Paulette Cooper, Gabe Cazares and Keith Henson combined. He will emerge victorious with all America wondering why it had to come to that before there was government action. It will win best picture and all the hypocrits in Hollywood who haven't had the guts to stand up and say how sick it is, will give he director a standing ovation.

Hubbard will be played by Curly Howard. Miscavige will be played by Herve Vallechez. Heber Jenztztzh by Larry Fine. Diana Hubbard by Pamela Anderson. Helena Kobrin by Raymond Burr. Tom Cruise will be played by John Travolta. John Travolta by Ian McKlennan. Kirstie Alley by Star Jones.

Remember, you heard it from me first folks.

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There was a Rolling Stone article a while back that was just awesome. Not sure how well that would translate to a movie though.

What I really don't like about Scientology is its name. It sounds too much like my religion: Science.

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The article that the above poster refers to can be found here: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology?rnd=1143493747171&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1465. And yes, it is a very interesting and informative read.

I agree with Jonathan (poster # 7) in that scientology couldn't be made into a movie because it's secrets are too closely held. If the religion does not want to reveal it's beliefs (and actively fights to keep them secret), it's certainly not going to release a movie about them.

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Layfette's little group is not a religion. It is nothing but a scam. Sure...it managed to get IRS tax exemption - but it is still just a money grubbing scam.

I, for one, am all for religious openess and, if it were the case, learning about what someone with a different point of view than my own has to say or what they believe in.

But I don't like lies. And a previous reply nailed it on the head when Tommy-boy lied through his capped teeth about certain tenants of Layfette's land of make believe.

Katie Couric did an interview with one of the Ronbots and he too lied through his teeth. It's incredible that they can sit on national television - lie - and because they are a movie star people are suppose to believe them and sheepishly follow what they say.

Movie stars don't impress me that much.

And you will never get a movie about this scam that is anywhere near what the truth is...lest the director get sued for telling the truth.

Truth to one of the victims of Xenu is all a matter of perspectives. As long as you are gullible enough to believe everything that Layfette wrote (and wrote badly, at that), then you will believe you can fly out of your body and fix broken tires.

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This has not been getting enough airplay but... If you are curious about more aspects of Scientology, just watch this.

This is an interview with Hubbard himself.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9161754361761529361&q=hubbard

This next link is a report on Scientology and an interview with the current head of the church

http://www.xenutv.com/us/nightline.htm

From their own mouths.

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OK, so let me get this straight: Scientology is patently absurd on it's face because of it's most esoteric aspects. How is it all the other religious "absurdities" get a free ride? The idea that man is a soul that transmigrates (Bhuddist/Hindu); the idea that man is a spirit in a body and other spirits can coexist in that body (Christianity);the idea that our ancestors came from the stars (Native American Indian). These ideas are as old as religion itself. It was quite by accident that Dianetics uncovered experiences from past lifetimes. L.Ron Hubbard decided to research it rather than dismiss it, and found that if you treated man as a spirit rather than an animal, the resulting gains were profound. My "belief system" as a Scientologist is that I can find my own answers by looking within, which is the fundamental basis of auditing: Rational introspection. Of course, the methodology is different, and that sets Scientology apart. The esoteric aspects of auditing are verifiable by the e-meter: That separates the wheat from the chaff. It's a common lament among hostile media, and provocateurs in general that they can't "infiltrate" Scientology. Alas, the E-meter trumps the subversive. They just don't get very far trying to attack from within. There is an ideolical war going on and this link will explain it all in the words of psychiatry:

www.geocities.com/heartland/7006/psychopolitics.html

Read the address by Lavrent Pavlovich Beria, Chapters IX, and XIV. I think this will give a better balance to the views of Scientologists and help explain the cost of fighting so much attack and finance.

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Let's get some facts straight people:

Today the religiosity of Scientology has become fully acknowledged by courts and governments on both sides of the Atlantic and throughout the rest of the world.

The most significant legal recognition of the Scientology religion came in October 1993, when the U.S. Internal Revenue Service granted full non-profit status and tax exemption to all churches of Scientology and related social betterment organisations, concluding after an exhaustive and thorough review that Scientology churches are "organised and operated exclusively for religious and charitable purposes."

The IRS examination was not limited to the United States, but specifically included reviews of the financial affairs and activities of Church organisations from Australia to Europe.

Religious recognitions have occured in France, Italy,
Germany, Sweden, the United Kingdom, Holland, Hungary, Portugal, Switzerland, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Mexico, India and Japan and on and on.

There is no question that Scientology is a religion and non-profit.

Anyone who says otherwise is seriously ignorant and has some hate agenda. Period.

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Sorry, JR, you have to brush up on your current events. Tell the whole story. Where did you get that list from, I wonder?

Oh, yeah. The story of Scientology would make a great movie but no one wants to go through the harrassment suit by making it. We'll have to settle for the South Park version which was pretty good.

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Like I said Jake - anyone who says otherwise is seriously ignorant and has some hate agenda. Period.

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